Alicia Isaacs Howes

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In this episode, we explore Lifestyle as I chat with Alicia Isaacs Howes, an intuitive healer, teacher and business coach who also happens to be a British native. 

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Karthika interviews Alicia Isaacs Howes, an intuitive healer, teacher and business coach who uses her management background and crystal clear intuition to develop a coaching framework and practice that connects people who are struggling with purpose, health, love, money or anything else back to the truth and love of who they are. Although Alicia knows that we are all the same underneath, she believes that the different ways we express ourselves help us learn about ourselves. Diversity makes life fun and interesting.

The Transcript

Karthika: Welcome, Alicia. Thank you so much for joining us today on culturally are as I am so excited to be chatting with you today.

Alicia: Thank you. I am so happy to be here.

Karthika: Let’s jump right in. Yours is a story of multiple migrations, but you know, before we get into all of that, can you share with us a little bit about where you’re from, you know, what your childhood was like and where you grew up and things like that.

Alicia: Absolutely, yes. So I was born in London officially. I’m what’s called a cockney. I was born within the sound of Bowbells, in the east end of London and I was the eldest or I’m the oldest of five children and grew up just outside of London in a place that I love still because it was this beautiful blend of countryside and easy access to the center of the city. And I grew up in a place called Chigwell in Essex just outside of London, about 20 miles or so and grew up. Yeah, with fives, a four siblings. So we’re very close in age. Only seven and a half years between us and grew up, um, with being able to play outside and go to the forest. We had an ancient forest that had never been touched by humans I guess like never developed. So we had this amazing forest where we could go and hide and, and build camps and pretend that we know who you are, Robin Hood or whatever it might be.

Alicia: And then if I wanted I could walk 10 minutes and I could be on the London Underground and in the city center within about 45 minutes. So I had to really of lovely mix of the countryside, which is really important to me being near nature and out in the open and also the bars of the city and historic sites and museums and just being able to see lots of different people. London is a very multicultural city, so I love, I love that. That part of my childhood, just the location. It was pretty cool. And I went to a Roman Catholic school and I went all the way from primary school all the way through high school. So a lot of my friends or fellow students, we kind of bus into a central location rather than going to the local school. So it’s a little bit harder to see some of my friends, you know, every day after school or weekends. It was a, is, wonderful school. It’s a great community. And so from the age of 11 until I was 18, I commuted, I got on the London Underground, I would walk about two miles or so at the other end and found my way to high school. So I’ve always been used to moving and kind of making my own way, I guess even from an early age.

Karthika: Wow! So you just transported me back to my childhood of reading books and Secret Seven because they had the forest and they had, you know, the big city, they would go on these adventures on the underground. Oh my gosh, you were talking and it was flashing back. And I love reading those books. It was just like you said, it would just magically transport you to this place that had, you know, nature as well as the big city. And you know, it sounds like you had a lot of adventures as well.

Alicia: And that time I didn’t realize how fortunate I was. It was just, I think for anybody or anybody listening and what we grow up with is just a normal and I think sometimes it takes some distance from where we started or even just time to really appreciate what it was that we did have. And so now I really appreciate that. Now I’m a little bit further away from the city of Chicago. I live further out in the suburbs and I miss being able to get in 20 minutes or 30 minutes and be right in the hub bub and yeah. So it’s interesting, isn’t it?

Karthika: I completely agree with you. I mean I, you know, when I went to, when I was growing up, I would do the whole school by bus, by public transportation too. We had a bus. We would walk. I cannot even imagine my kids doing that now, like you are living here and it just takes a whole different skill set, you know, you just, you just learned to navigate life so much differently when you are exposed to that versus, you know, being dropped off and picked up and you know, texting today that I am done with school and come pick me up.

Alicia: I remember the first time my oldest son took the metro down to Chicago and that, my conscious mind was, he’s 15. Of course you can do this, you know, I was doing this since I was 11, you know, going into London and yet there’s another part of me going.

Karthika: So what made you decide to leave?

Alicia: Well, it was something. I think I was born with this desire to travel. I absolutely love England and I do need to go back on a regular basis to kind of recharge my batteries. But from a very early age I’ve wanted to travel. And so I remember vividly with my, um, my sister Claire, she only 11 months younger than I am. I’m just, you know, we were about five or six and would speak in a made up language pretending that we could speak a foreign language or that we were from a different country, we would have conversations and um, we’d want people to hear us and think we were really cool because we spoken a different language, so that’s one of my earliest childhood memories of playing and using my imagination was another language and that transferred into studying languages at school and then university and then as part of my degree spending a year in Spain and five months in Greece. So I think, I think it might be because I’m a Sagittarian as well and I love to travel. So I don’t know if it was ever a conscious decision. It was just a part of me, this desire to see other places and people and try different things and be different I guess.

Karthika: Thats fascinating. To recognize that at a young age and to more importantly act on it is a quite commendable. So you’ve taken that step and you’ve realized that that’s what makes you happy and you went for it and you know, you’ve moved many times over and over again. And so how did, how did some of those moves unfold? Was it intentional, was just, you know, something’s happened and opportunities came and sort of what kept you going from one to the other?

Alicia: I already believed that the universe was conspiring to bring me all the things I needed to go on these adventures that had always been a part of me. And so when I was 17, that was when I did my first real trip. I spent, I did an exchange with the Spanish gall in the south of Spain and that was very much planned. You know, I learned about it. There was something in me that every part of me was saying yes, go. I had no idea how to make it happen, but we did. My family made it happen, which was challenging. Being the eldest of five, you know, my parents, you know, they have a budget and they want us to treat us all the same, but we made it happen and that was so. That was a very deliberate decision and after that it, it really felt like that ignited something. I absolutely fell in love with Spain and the Spanish language, the culture, the people, everything about it really spoke to my soul. I have to say, I think it was the first time that I really like me. There was a tangible difference. I remember walking with my friends in Seville after I’d been about 10 days and we were walking up into the Sierra and it into the mountains there and I remember this moment and at the time I wouldn’t say I was spiritually aware or you know, really conscious of many things, but I remember something shifted and I felt like me, I felt whole and complete and I wasn’t trying to be anything other than who I was and I wasn’t even trying to make anybody else happy, or take care of anyone in that moment.

Alicia: I was just being fully present and enjoying this wonderful hike with friends and it’s such a vivid memory. I can still kind of transport myself back there. So I feel that, that there’s a, there’s something about that country. It’s my spiritual home, I guess, and after that, you know, going to university and studying Spanish wasn’t. I didn’t even think about it, you know, it was what do I love? And it was Spanish. I also did French and Portuguese and then things kind of unfolded from there. It was always like, oh, here’s an opportunity to go to Greece. Wonderful. It’s an opportunity to live in Sydney, Singapore. Oh Great. Was kind of like invitations would come to me. And then the last one I was in Singapore working for an American company. My boss was in Chicago and he said, what do you want to do next? Where do you want to go? And I said, I want to go anywhere but England, I, you know, I just wanted to keep trying. And so the invitation to come to Chicago. And thats where I landed.

Karthika: Okay. Wow. I mean you said a few things that I want to sort of go back because I think it’s such a strong message. Um, when you said when you kind of open yourself up, opportunities somehow come, they manifest themselves when you, you know, fully present. And think of nothing else but enjoying that moment. You sort of understand who you are and you accept who you are. Those are very powerful things and you know, not all of us sort of get to that space and get to that time sometimes not in an entire lifetime. But you did that at such a young age. And I mean it’s, it’s incredible, Alicia, I just, it’s like I feel I’m feeling what you are saying. I don’t know. I don’t even know if that makes sense. I mean I’m like, you know, you describe your going on that hike and those emotions and those feelings and it’s almost like I can sense that for myself. So getting to that point is so important. And then acknowledging it and acting on it. So when each of these, each of these moves and each of these sort of experiences have sort of taught you something, right, taught you something about yourself, taught you something about life and what I mean, how do you kind of relate that into your everyday? I mean, do you, did you find any challenges? I mean, I’m sure there were some, but can you maybe share a few and how you overcame those challenges to still pursue what you wanted?

Alicia: Yes. Can I just say how observant you are. I never really thought about it the way you know, you just bring things out of me, which is really wonderful, isn’t it? Back on. So thank you for to me. Yes, there were. I have to say that I just, I remember even with my university course saying what do I love? And it was languages in Spanish in particular and so I think that that’s been the thing that made things easy was what do I love, what feels good? And then of course, you know, then you land in Spain or you’re in Greece or you’re in a or in Singapore and you’re starting from scratch with, you know, finding accommodation and finding your network and finding your way to work the first day and figuring out the system. So the challenges were interesting there. The things that I find that make life interesting, like not knowing how something works and figuring it out. I think that was that it was like an adventure every time. It was a little adventure and I, I guess I, I’m fortunate in I like those kinds of things. I like not knowing, I don’t know everything and that’s what keeps life exciting. Challenges where sometimes I would feel homesick, you know, sometimes I feel like I was missing out on birthday or a family gathering and it was interesting. I think the time I felt the most alone was when I lived in Singapore and I was in, I did have colleagues that I kind of knew from England and Chicago, but I wasn’t living close really to any of them. Although this is the weird thing. My best friend from university happened to be living in Singapore at the same time, so that was kind of fun, but, but you know, she has a small infant daughter and I couldn’t see her all the time. I think that was the time when you ask about the challenges, it was fitting that sense of aloneness or a little bit of isolation and yet for me, I really needed it.

Alicia: I’d grown up as a member of five children. I never really had my own room until, I think the last six months in unit at university, the last year university. And so it really gave me a time. I’d just come out of a very long, my first boyfriend ever where you dated for nine years. So I was coming out of that relationship and I was in this period of transition and I think that period where I really could be on my own, yeah, was actually a gift. It was a gift. I sometimes felt like it was in disguise and you know, when I’d feel a little like, oh yeah, well I can watch whatever I want to watch, I can read whatever I want to read, I can go wherever I want to go, but I don’t have anybody in particular I can do it with. That was different for me.

Karthika: How would you say your sort of global, to me it looks like a global mindset, the exposure to all these different cultures. How do you find it helping you in your day to day life and perhaps even in your work life?

Alicia: Well, I believe that in my day to day life what it’s done is that it’s allowed me all the travels or the places I’ve been to or the relationships that I’ve had living in families and having kind of like a second mom or second, you know, sisters and brothers and, you know, I’ve been, I’ve always felt very integrated in the different countries that I’ve been blessed to visit. The one thing I realized is that people are the same wherever I go that we have, um, yeah, their food might be different. Their language is different than even the color of their skin might be different. And the soul of that they express in these different ways is in, is very recognizable. You know, I’ve, I’ve met very similar characters and, and kind of groups in all these different countries. And so my day to day life now, um, I think it’s helped me just to stay open to this idea that we’re all connected. Ultimately underneath it all, we’re all the same. We all have the same or very similar desires, you know, to be loved, heard, respected, to feel safe, to feel joy. And so it just helps me to stay. I hope to stay more openminded I’m with, even if there are people that I might not share the same views as I do or have the same tastes that I do, you know, I can appreciate or acknowledge that they to have something to contribute and add. Then really underneath it all, we’re really no different.

Karthika: That is such a beautiful way to look at it. I mean, I completely agree with you. At the end of the day, we’re all the same. We know at the very basic level, right? We all bleed the same red. We have all the same fears. We celebrate pretty much the same things. We all want a happy, healthy life for ourselves and for the people we care about. What you just said was so beautiful and so powerful, it just, we have to keep an open mind, right?

Alicia: Yeah. That’s what makes the world so interesting, you know, that’s why we came to planet with billions of other selves. It wasn’t to float around.

Karthika: Absolutely. Now you have a very successful intuitive coaching business for women entrepreneur. And I want to explore this concept a little bit. What does coach intuitive coaching mean? And can you just shed a little bit about that? How that came to be?

Alicia: Oh yes. Intuitive coaching is where I get to work with women entrepreneurs in their business, so creating packages or programs or, uh, looking at the branding in a way that matches their, their energy and their essence, but at the same time, I believe that our businesses are going to be our greatest teachers. They will always reflect back to us where we’re uncomfortable in our visibility, where, where I’m holding back in terms of being appreciated or, or seen or stepping into leadership, uh, there reflect to us through our clients or through finances. You know, how much were valuing ourselves or how much we’re willing to let in and, and we’re, we’re overgiving because we don’t perhaps have healthy boundaries and all kinds of things, right? So I love working with women entrepreneurs because not only do I help them to work on their business, but I help them to work on themselves because when those blocks or invisible ceilings appear, you know, their income isn’t growing or they can attract the right client or whatever it might be.

Alicia: I can help them look at where that pattern. It’s not only showing up in their business, where else is it showing up, what does it remind them of, but also look at where did that originate and then clear it. So I’m able to use my intuitive skills and different modalities of shifting mindsets and energy and patterns so that they realign with their business, they realign with their dreams and they can start taking action that matches what it is they really, truly want to experience. So it’s kind of an interesting mix. And the way I got to it was very interesting. Um, it’s kind of a long story, but the short version is that I always, always intuitive. I did not know that’s what I was, I, I just associated my sense of knowing or sensing things I associated with the things in my life that seemed bad or negative and that if I felt them on new about them that therefore I had made them happen.

Alicia: And so I kind of shut off my intuition and did everything I could to prove that I was a good girl or a good person. And you know, I got a degree and then I got this amazing job in a big consulting firm and kind of followed this path that looking back, it’s really quite extraordinary. It was a very blessed and awesome. Right? How did I ever get that job? How did I ever. I remember once one of the partners at the consulting company saying, you know, I don’t know, it’s amazing what you’ve done because you really don’t fit in with the corporate mold. And I said, thank you, that’s a compliment. But I did very well and I got sent to America and I, you know, the states and I got promoted in a year and I was, ended up in a big, another big American company managing, I think it was 21 managers across the country flying all over the place.

Alicia: And truly what was happening is that I was not following my heart. I wasn’t listening to my intuition and I was not doing what I was really meant to do. And so my body started to speak to me and I got very sick, um, and I kind of managed to get over the first illness and kind of went right back into the same pattern of working 70, 80 hours a week. You know, just making work in my life. And so I got sick again. My body’s like, you know what, we’re gonna have to do it again if you can get to the first time. And the second time was when my hairdresser actually I was going through a lot of health issues and had surgery and I was told there’s no cure will we can do repeated surgeries when the pain gets too bad.

Alicia: And my hairdresser said, well, haven’t you tried healing? What do you mean? She said, we’re going into a healer. And so she gave me the name of her own healer and I had a phone call with this lady. Her name is judy. And in 30 minutes my life changed. I, she took me through a meditation to shift some of the pain in my body and it felt natural, easy. I kind of got it. And she said, you don’t need me to do this. You now know how to do this part on your own if you need it. Cool. And she became my teacher.

Karthika: Wonderful. This is so important. I’m glad we’re talking about this because, you know, we often don’t listen to our intuition when we feel like the rest of us seems to like take over. I mean, the, the common sense, the, um, wanting to succeed, all of that sort of takes over and it’s like pushes intuition all the way in the back and we suffer the consequences because they all have to be aligned and you know, this more than anybody that you have to have all these things in alignment, do whatever, whatever it means for you. So, you know, I love this concept of listening to your intuition in terms of business and where you want to go, your career and all that. I think we can do this in our everyday lives. We shouldn’t be doing this in our everyday lives to do you perhaps, you know, based on your experience, can you share maybe a couple of tips that people can takeaway? You say they don’t have a business, say they are, stay at home moms or you know, they, they can do for themselves using this concept.

Alicia: Yes. Using intuition a yes. Because we all have it. Uh, it’s just, you know, whether we get to practice a little bit like flexing a muscle, you know, send out our intuitive muscle. And so no matter what you’re doing in life, it is a sense that you have for a reason. It’s there to help you. And you know, most of the time, not all but many cases we’re taught to shut down our intuitive senses from very early ages. You know, whether you know, we see something and maybe we don’t understand what we’re seeing at the time. And it scares us even if it really isn’t a scary thing. And we say, I see a monster, you know, I see this or I saw this person and the grownups around us say, well, there’s nothing there. You’re making it up. Or You couldn’t have seen that person. They don’t live here. You know, maybe they were visiting. Um, and so, uh, or your, you know, if we’re getting, we’re hearing voices or messages, that’s what crazy people, right? They hear voices. So we learn to shut down a lot of our intuitive information. Whether we’re feeling, sensing, knowing, hearing, I’m seeing things or you know, sometimes I’ve, I’ve worked with people where I’ve smelled a certain flower that was very significant to the person I was working with. And it was assigned that her mother was with her, so sometimes it might be smells, you can’t explain all kinds of ways, so no matter what you do in your life, you can start to practice listening or tuning in, paying attention to intuition, so perhaps the next time the phone rings before you look or pick it up to see who it is, just guess so who would that be? And maybe write it down and take a guess and then just a little check mark, you know, yes or no if you are accurate or if you weren’t. And it’s not about getting to 100 percent accuracy, it’s about simply practicing listening to intuition and then started to track how often it helps you and then you can start to pay to traveling into it more and more. So then you can start to play with, with, you know, perhaps the way to go to work to the grocery store that day. Did I go this way or that way? Ask your intuition and just say, what’s the best way for me to go there today?

Karthika: That’s incredible. It’s a way for us to learn, to trust ourselves, like as you’re saying this, that’s what I. that’s the one thing that jumps to mind. I mean, if I am, if I listened to my intuition, I learned to trust my feelings, trust my inner most thoughts, that they’re there for a reason and it it’s like your mind cannot be against you. It’s going to be working with you for you. You just have to trust that trust yourself before anything else. And so that way you know, you get to trust others. You get to trust the environment. You get to trust the experiences because everything kind of is. Wait, when you believe that everything is working with you, for you towards your goal, then it makes it a much better way to go about it as opposed to thinking, why is this happening to me? Oh my God, the whole world is against me. Oh my God. You know, it’s like I’m never going to succeed. This is, you know, I don’t have the skills or whatever it is, right? I mean, I think we have to trust ourselves and that begins with listening to our intuition.

Alicia: Yes, that’s beautifully said and it’s just sparking something for me in that I think one of the biggest blocks or interference that I see in the people I worked with in personal relationships between what somebody wants and what they’re experiencing is that there’s a fundamental or very common idea that this isn’t where we’re supposed to be or that life is a test. So we’ve got to work really hard or figure out the right way to get back to where we’re meant to be or to pass the test. So we’re always constantly testing ourselves or trying to prove ourselves rather than being, getting out of our own way. Understanding that life is designed to be easy and that it’s designed to be joyful and delightful and delicious and open up to. How can you know?

Alicia: Maybe the question for us all to ask everyday is how can life delight me today? Or what surprises can life bring me today? And just see like you don’t have to have the immediate answer. Just see what comes in. And you’ve, I’m sure you’ve probably heard that, that saying and where your attention goes, energy flows. So if we’re putting our attention on how life can delighters or delightfully surprise us, that’s what we’ll get bothered. Life’s a test or I’ve got to work really hard or this isn’t where I’m meant to be. I’ve just got to be a really good person so that when I leave here, I go to the right place. Don’t know, always look for the next best thing. You are in that moment for a reason. So enjoy that.

Karthika: That’s beautiful. Okay. So let’s, let’s talk about diversity. And the reason I want to talk about diversity is because I feel like you have such a diverse set of experiences and locations and people you’ve interacted. So as a business coach, how important do you think diversity is in our lives, in our businesses? And what can, what can it bring us?

Alicia: What a great question. I just want to take a step back and just say very important. The reason that we’re on a planet with nearly 8 billion other souls in there, there’s a reason, you know, we came here because there are things that we get to experience, explore and understand because there are so many of us here. And if we were all exactly the same with the same goals or intentions or dreams of certain lifestyles, life would be really boring.

Alicia: And so the diversity means that each one of us can express ourselves to our fullest ability and desire. And that if in business we have the ability to meet with others who need our services or the products that we provide because there are so many, many of us out there that no one provider can be at all or do it or for others. First, the team makes it really fun and interesting and helps us to find a match. You know, whether it’s with a customer or a business or service or product. And the same in personal relationships to different activities. And places to visit and explore that we’re not. While we will have those fundamental designs have to be safe and loved and respected and heard and all of that, you know, the ways that we express the day to day desires or dreams are all so different and so diversity I think is the key to success. Understanding that if you’re building a business, you don’t have to be at all for everyone. You don’t have to make everyone happy. It’s impossible. It isn’t, that’s not what you’re here for. So do what makes you happy and connect with the other clients or customers who are looking for that too.

Karthika: I completely agree with you. I think diversity just opens up so many wonderful opportunities, whether it’s in business or in life, you know, getting to know something as simple as getting to know how somebody else celebrates Christmas or celebrates another festival or even sits down and shares an evening meal. I’m sure everybody does it differently with little nuances that it’s special to them. And so, you know, if we understand the protect the time and we understand that and appreciate that, I think we learned so much more so. I love, I love the fact that you mentioned diversity just opens up so many opportunities both in work and in life.

Karthika: Speaking of diversity, you have also shifted in your coaching business as well. So what are you doing now?

Alicia: Yes, so I am still working with mostly with women business owners in order to print kinds of places to help them grow their business and develop that occurred packages in branding and just kind of support there. But there is something that I feel I was one of the big reasons I chose to be on the planet and that’s to help create really soft landings for the new arrivals. So for the new babies who are coming onto the planet and so helping parents through either pregnancy or before adoption to prepare for that connection and to create a really loving, welcoming place to come in. And so I’ve got a program and I’m starting to call in those who are resonating with that connecting while expecting and it’s a mix of the intuitive coaching and clearing a guided meditations that I recorded.

Alicia: One of the reasons it does feel very connected when I’m working with people on health issues and money issues and relationship stuff, so it all kind of is ultimately connected through the person right there, the denominator. I’m one of the things that’s come up again and again in beliefs or patterns or interference that they picked up either in the womb or in very early childhood, um, as to this is who you are and this is how the world works. And so those are kind of invisible limitations on them that really aren’t true for them or whenever. And they’re really holding them back from what it is that they want. And so by working with the parents before birth and the little ones before birth, I can, um, I think it’s just being more efficient as well. I am big into process improvement. So this is just way more efficient to kind of get in there before anything starts. So it’s not that we won’t have things to work on, that’s one of the reasons we come here, but it will kind of clear out a lot of stuff. Make things smoother and easier in general.

Karthika: That is so interesting. It’s a great way to, like you said, start this is even like beyond starting young. This is starting right from, from even before the start to make sure that they are kind of on the right track and on the right path with the right tools and techniques to make it easy. So that’s great. So I have to ask this and I, I asked this to all my sort of guests, but perhaps with you, I have to change it a little bit. Considering your sort of multicultural background, would you ever consider moving again or have you sort of, this is home, this is, this is where you are and we kind of see yourself for the next x number of years.

Alicia: Yes. I would consider moving again often. I feel that there are, I do believe that there’s no one right place on the planet for someone to be happy. I really believe that there are many, many different locations that hold similar frequencies, so I feel sort about energy matches and so I do feel that I’ve got a really great energy match in Cornwall, so I would love to spend more time there in the southwest of England. I will say I love the energy of Spain, still am very drawn to South America. And I know that I want to go to New Zealand and there are so many places that this world is so huge, is exciting. So yes, I do see another move or two or more in my future.

Karthika: I love it. And I love what you said about energy matches. I’ve never heard that term before, but it just makes so much sense that you gravitate towards a place because of the energy you receive from that place. I mean, there’s a reason why you go somewhere and you feel like I’ve been here before or this feels familiar or this just feels right. You know, there’s, there’s, it’s very hard to explain, but I think your, like the word energy matches, I don’t know, somehow makes it all make sense for me because I have, I’ve gone to these places and I’m like, what is it about this, I’ve never been here before, or you know, I just feel like there’s something there that I could see myself going back or I could see myself living and thank you for that energy matches.

Alicia: Yes, I have to remember you have energy match in India and, and maybe out west somewhere.

Karthika: Yes, Any where the mountains are. I think that’s where my energy match is.

Alicia: I like to think of it sometimes is it’s just a good fit for our particular frequency that we’re resonating within this lifetime. Sometimes it’s because perhaps we have an ancestral memory that’s been passed down to us just like, you know, the color of our eyes or our, the friendliness of our hair or whatever it might be. And sometimes, you know, because I do the woo woo stuff, you know, it’s, it’s a soul memory, you know, there’s something that, you know, another aspect of ourselves has experienced or looking forward to, you know, past, present, or future.

Karthika: You know, it’s funny you said because I know sometimes it can seem like that, but you know, I have a science, a technology background and I think so we are so tuned to everything logical, everything, scientific, everything, proof. But there is this whole side to life that is completely opposite. There is like, like we’ve talked about intuition, there is that soul connection, there is the energy matches. So it’s, we cannot just negate that there is, we need both. I think we definitely need both to create a balance and sounds like you’ve kind of found your path in the, in, in the other side. And having the technical background I think makes it even more makes sense for lack of a better way to put it. I think that really makes sense when you experienced both sides of the coin.

Alicia: Yes. I totally. One hundred percent agree with you, I know that, you know, our human minds light things and time is very linear and we like very logical plans and, but life really isn’t logical, you know, there are things that happen every day on this planet that we can’t explain like a frog, you know, going into hibernation for 10 years or more. So, you know, there are things everyday, there are miracles in life and so it can’t all be explained by logic and

Karthika: This is such a, such a fascinating conversation. I know you and I can chat for hours about this, but maybe in the interest of time, I have a couple more questions and we can wrap it up. So do you miss home?

Alicia: Yes, there are times when I do especially as I get older. I’m very fortunate to have both parents, you know, but they’re getting older. I great niece who’s to turn one and so I don’t, I just missed know not just the big events but just, you know, being able to have a cup of tea and sit down for a chance. So I do miss, yeah, home.

Karthika: Yeah. I think those, those memories and those feelings will never go away. I think no matter where we are, you know, there’s that little, um, connection that always kind of, you know, you get a smile on your face when you think about that. Like you, you mentioned t and with those little everyday things. And you know, for me that too, like tea is such a big part of who I am and you know, my life in India, I miss that. Having that cup of tea with my parents, with my grandma, it’s just, you know, it’s just, it doesn’t matter the place. I just thought I would love to have that feeling whenever I wanted as opposed to, you know, having to flat for six years. So what, um, what lies next, Alicia? What are you living? Are you fully living your dream or.

Alicia: Oh, there’s always more. I really believe it’s not that I’m greedy, but I always believed that there’s always, we were designed to expand and evolve. And so there’s no matter what we have around us. And right now I’m sitting in the most beautiful office with a view of my gorgeous magnolia tree on a blessed warm October day. And really life is amazing. And yes, there is more. I would love to be living on a lake or, you know, I just know that, you know, I, I think the day that you say there’s nothing else is maybe the day that we stopped kind of expanding and evolving and we might be done with this journey here. So, um, yes, I’m not sure what’s next, but I do see more travel, another move and uh, yeah, just watching my children kind of go on their adventures is going to be kind of fun.

Karthika: Yeah, no, absolutely. Like you said, the day you stop imagining and dreaming is sort of um, you know it becomes boring and you always kind of want to look forward to the next day and the next adventure, whatever, whatever and whatever that might. Yes. So thank you so much. This was incredible and I cannot wait to share this with my listeners and I really do appreciate all your thoughts and your positive message.

Alicia: Thank you so much. This is such a wonderful service to help people kind of connect no matter what their culture and where they’ve been and I’m so delighted to be a part of it, so thank you.

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