Explore The Czech Republic With Josephine And Dominic


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Season 05
Season 05
Explore The Czech Republic With Josephine And Dominic

Show Details

In this episode, we explore the Czech Republic and the city of Prague with Josephine and Dominic. Jo and Dom are digital nomads who have been living in Prague for a while and share some of their favorite places to explore in and around the city. They also share some off-the-beaten path adventures around the Czech Republic – a country known for beautiful national parks, mountains and hundreds of castles. From restaurants to outdoor spaces, Jo and Dom take us on a beautiful adventure – right from the comfort of our homes.

Show Notes

Karthika explores the incredibly beautiful country of the Czech Republic and the city of Prague with locals Josephine and Dominic. Jo and Dom live in Prague and they share their love for this city – unique experiences in and around Prague. They share some off-the-beaten path adventures around the Czech Republic that can help us explore this amazing country that is famous for its stunning landscapes, national parks and hundreds of castles. From restaurants to outdoor spaces, Jo and Dom take us on a beautiful adventure – right from the comfort of our homes. Karthika, Jo, and Dom also talk about the future of travel as seen from the eyes of locals living in a touristy location.

The Transcript

Karthika: Welcome, Dominic, and Josephine. Thank you much for joining me on Culturally Ours, as I am very excited to have both of you on the podcast. And I cannot wait to chat with you, get to know you guys a little bit better, and get to know your corner of the world a little bit.

Jo: Hey, thank you much for having us.

Dom: We’re excited to be here.

Karthika: Absolutely. Before we begin, could you guys tell us a little bit about sort of who you are, where you’re from, just to sort of help set the stage for this conversation?

Jo: We’re Dom and Jo, a Danish Canadian travel couple. I’m Jo, and I was born and raised in Denmark. When I finished high school, I took a gap year, and I decided to travel with a friend and went to Australia and ended up living there for a couple of months. And that’s where I met Dom. And since we met, we’ve lived in a couple of different countries around the world. And back in 2017, I went to university for marketing and management communication. And after about a year, I was like, this sucks. I miss traveling. I want to go see places. I want to work online. I got a job online, and then we moved to the Czech Republic.

Dom: My story is a little similar, but, I grew up in the prairies in Alberta with my parents and they were actually from the Czech Republic. it’s kind of funny where they immigrated to Canada and now I, in a sense, not immigrated, but came back to their home country. Jo and me, we met in Australia and then have sort of been traveling since, and we kind of settled here in Prague, at least for the time being, we haven’t put an end date to it, but at least for the next year or until we kind of figure out what’s next.

Karthika: You guys are digital nomads right? Home is wherever you are, right in different parts of the world. You guys kind of now live in Prague. I know you guys said that you’ve met in Australia, and was there a reason to have Prague as your sort of home base, or did it just kind of happen?

Jo: As I mentioned before, I was in a university and when I was in university, Dom moved to Denmark with me. But given that he’s from a different continent, cause he’s Canadian. For anyone who doesn’t know it was a little harder for him to get a visa. He got a visa for one year and when that expired, he had to find a different country he could live in. It was either going back to Canada or finding a different country in Europe that he could stay in so we could stay closer together. We found this cool course in Prague where you can learn how to teach English to English as a second language. And they offered this course in Prague and Don could get I’ve used it here, cause at the time he didn’t have citizenship. And that’s kind of how he, he landed here and then I decided to drop out of university and move with him.

Karthika: Okay.

Dom: I just want to share just in case anyone listening is interested, say in moving to Europe and moving to the Czech Republic it’s quite easy to get it’s called a XYZ visa, which enables you to come here and work remotely and work in the Czech Republic and then end up maybe staying for a year or two and then getting residency. And then I know lots of ex-pats, who’ve actually essentially moved to the Czech Republic and now they’ve been here 10 or 15 years and call the Czech Republic home. Its an easy way to kind of come to Europe. Then it’s a freelance visa. If you search for a freelance visa Czech Republic, I’m pretty sure it will come up.

Karthika: That is, that is good to know. And I’ll put that, make sure I put that in the show notes as well. It’s interesting because when I was growing up and when I finished university and all of that, this whole concept of gap year didn’t exist. You kind of went from school to university to work and just life just connected to go. I wish I could go back and do this whole gap year thing because it sounds like I’ve heard it from other people too. It’s very interesting. And you get many different experiences that you sort of miss out on. I guess it’s not too late.

Dom: Karthika, I think Europe almost has it figured out where like, North America, I think the USA and Canada, it’s the same thing as high school, college or university and career and family where I find most, or at least quite a few countries in Europe tend to have that gap year where you get to go travel to a country or kind of make some experiences before you maybe decide where you want to, where you want to go to school or kind of your next step.

Karthika: See, now I have a 14-year-old, that’s something that she’s looking into once she gets into high school and, it’s just thinking times change. So when you said it’s not too late, I have to wait a few more years before she gets to college, for sure. Definitely no age limit on digital nomads nowadays.

Jo: That is true.

Karthika: And especially with this situation that we’re in now, who knows how long that’s going to last, but it’s everything remote. I mean, my kid’s school is remote, so very interesting.

Dom: I was speaking with my brother, who works at quite a big bank back in Canada, and last week they had a conference call and he said that there’s no way they’ll be going back into an office until at least 2021. It kind of looks like we’re in for the long haul with us.

Karthika: For sure. I think a lot of the businesses that have physical locations, I see many signs for sale because nobody wants to kind of go back and some of the bigger companies too, such as Google and Microsoft and everybody has said you can indefinitely work remotely. And maybe for some people, it’s awesome because then it gives them the freedom that some of them have been longing for, for a long time. But for other people that just want to be in your office and are motivated by being surrounded by people. That’s tough. And we’ll kind of touch on that a little bit later too but in terms of like just what, what we’ve been talking about and the whole kind of pandemic situation, how has sort of your community or your local area, talk to me a little bit about how you guys are dealing with the pandemic far and about how things are reopening if at all they are.

Jo: Right. This pandemic has been a little different because we were first in Mexico and then in Canada. We can’t fully speak to what it was like in the Czech Republic in the beginning, but we have friends who were here and they were doing pretty well. They had a pretty long quarantine, but it seemed like everyone was following the guidelines wearing masks to like keeping a distance when they went to the grocery store and staying inside, it was like a full lockdown for Dom. Was it like six or eight weeks ago?

Dom: I think it was close to two months. It was quite a long time.

Jo: But the Czech Republic was doing well. They didn’t have a lot of cases when you looked at the numbers, it didn’t have a lot of cases that didn’t have a lot of deaths. And then they sort of reopened over the summer. Everything has seemed pretty normal here, honestly. No masks other than when you’re in the Metro, and then other than that, you wouldn’t even really notice that depending on what was going on, but now cases are going up again a lot. And I know European countries recommend that you don’t go to the Czech Republic right now. We have to wear masks everywhere this week. things are going back up pretty quickly

Dom: Adding to that. I think the first time around, the Czechs are very individualistic people, but they all believed in what the government was saying and they did listen and you could see the first time around like checks were doing very well. I don’t think it’s the second wave, but since summer hit and the numbers are going up again, and I think the government’s sort of unsure of what to do as well. I think people are almost losing a little bit of faith. The government kind of says one thing one week and then kind of says something else the other week. I have quite a few local Czech friends and that’s kind of what their impression of it’s been in their kind of, they’re a little hesitant, with who to believe in stuff, do they believe the doctors or the politicians and everything? So, it’s a little bit of a mess right now.

Jo: Also, they implemented masks. I think it was two or three weeks ago where they said, now you have to wear masks in a few weeks. And then a few days after they took that back and then now they are implementing masks again. it’s like on, off, on-off. But I’ve noticed this week that we have to wear masks again like everyone is wearing them.

Dom: And starting today, it’s in every, every building, every Metro, every subway. Now we’re on full-on mask mode again. hopefully, that’ll kind of slow things down.

Karthika: It’s kind of hard to understand what you should do and what you shouldn’t do. I’ve spoken to a lot of people in a lot of different countries and yes, it’s very different from country to country, but sometimes you feel like, just do the same thing on the same page and it’s just crazy. You guys have kind of traveled and you’ve lived in many different places. Talk to me a little bit about sort of what makes Prague and the Czech Republic special for you guys that now you’ve kind of decided to stay put for a bit?

Dom: Well, for us, I think the main thing is the community where we’ve lived in Canada, we’ve lived in Denmark and it’s always been, it’s either been like my friends or Joe’s friends. And I feel like Prague has sort of been the first place where we’ve found a community together and where we both love living. Like this is why we’ve come back for the second time. Cause we were here the first time and we sort of, I wouldn’t say we made a mistake, but we left and we made other plans and then we realized how much we missed Prague in the Czech Republic. We wanted to come back and, and I think we made the right decision.

Jo: For sure. We just have, we have great friends here that we met through the course that Dom’s taken. And, there’s just a really good ex-pat community. Like anywhere you go in the neighborhood we live in and we can talk much more too if you want. But it’s like a really good expert community and like there’s an ex-pat, like not, not cops, that’s not the right word, but like bars and like communities that you can go to and meet other people, there are co-working spaces and lots of events.

Dom: And for me also, I think like the locals here really want to make ex-pat friends and stuff. Of course, my speaking Czech, it’s slightly easier, but I joined a sport called Spikeball. It’s quite popular in America, but I joined the spike ball community and I’ve become close friends with a bunch of people. And then even by just connecting with cheques, they tell you about different places to visit in the country, like different restaurants, all sorts of stuff that maybe if you didn’t know locals, you wouldn’t necessarily know of course you can use Google and all that stuff, but Google doesn’t know everything. It’s kind of fun making those connections with locals. And even I taught English and half of the English lessons were conversational and the co and it was basically me speaking English with these locals and they were just telling me things about the country and things to do. It was like, it was a win-win for both of us and it was awesome.

Karthika: Oh, I love that. And you’re right. I mean, when you go to a place and you meet somebody and you say, okay, where can I go for a good cup of coffee nine out of 10 times? It’s not something you would find in a guidebook and that’s because you don’t want to go to all the touristy spots and just kind of feel like a big crowded mess.

Dom: Exactly. And where that’s it’s nice having the balance with the ex-pat community and the local community, because you kind of, of course, you want to bond with people that you have connections with and you’re a small community from abroad and you have those friends, but it’s nice. Meeting the locals and making new friends that way and stuff. I find that here we have a good balance of that and it’s just a really good place to live.

Karthika: That’s awesome. Since you are knowledgeable on the local hangouts, for example, if I were to come or if somebody wants to plan a trip at some point where would you take us? Sort of giving us an itinerary of where to go, what to expect, and things to do that maybe you won’t find in like a lonely planet guide.

Dom: Ooh. An itinerary. Okay. Well, first I just want to say for North America public transport, and like taking trains and stuff, I feel, at least in my part of Canada is sort of nonexistent. I don’t think maybe it’s different for you in, kind of around Chicago and stuff?

Karthika: The city of Chicago is very pretty well connected. We have what we call the L, which is like a train around the city. But when you go from cities to suburbs, to suburbs, to suburbs, it’s non-existent, you have to have a car.

Dom: Exactly. Where in Europe or, and the Czech Republic is really good for. The train system here is superb. You can, as much as I think Prague is an amazing city to visit, and there’s much to see, I think, of course, you want to spend a day or two here, but there are many national parks. Many smaller cities are just maybe a two or three-hour train ride away. I mean, I don’t even know how many castles are in the Czech Republic, but there are many castles to visit. We have a few places that we’ve been to that we would recommend. We have Teplice Rocks. We have Bohemian Switzerland, we have Sneska, which is the tallest mountain in the Czech Republic. And these are all kind of like mountain towns. And they’re very easily accessible by train. It’s not like you to come to this foreign country, you don’t speak the language. And you’re like, Oh my God, how do I get there? There are a few apps that we recommend to use and you can kind of see the whole country in a very easy way. And there’s yet nature and everything here is marvelous. I would recommend kind of going outside of the capital city and see the Czech nature. Also, it’s super cheap to travel around here. Like we just went to Slovenia actually, and the train ticket was like $20 one way. And imagine traveling within the country is an even cheaper hour train ride. And if you go up North I think it’s around $10 one way to get there and you can go directly by bus and it’s like three hours, three and a half hours maybe.

Karthika: Wow. How about hotels that are fairly cheap too, like hotels, food, and all that stuff? Or is it just transportation is easier than ours.

Jo: Czech is very likely divided by the tourist spots and the non-tourist spots. I’d say like if you go downtown Prague to the old town, the area that’s called proc one, you can see the prices. Like 50% more than they are in the outskirts of the city. But the coffee here is like 60 crowns, which is just under $3. And Emil, you can easily get it for $8. A $2 beer would be, I don’t know about a fancy hotel, but the place we stayed up in the mountains was just over $20 per night.

Karthika: Wow. There are some really good prices. That’s unheard of, I mean, where can you get a hotel for like 20 bucks a night?

Dom: And one thing I just want to say, growing up in my family it was very common that Czech’s have they’re called cabins and they’re maybe not the prettiest and not the fanciest, but it’s just a part of their culture. Like even if someone lived in a small city on the weekend, they would always go to the city and kind of go spend the weekend at their cabin. I feel like if you come to visit, check, maybe either if local or just maybe go to a small town, go to a small mountain town or somewhere in the wilderness and stay in one of these cabins just for the weekend in a small town and kind of get that experience. It’s a unique experience, but it’s charming and it’s in its way.

Karthika: That sounds amazing. And I love nature. I love the mountains. I am pretty vocal about that. Any place that has mountains, I’m like, there,

Jo: And that’s the thing, everybody knows Prague. And everybody knows like this beautiful city in central Europe in, and it is like, don’t get me wrong, it’s selling. But the Czech Republic has a lot more to offer than just its capital city.

Karthika: Sure. Now one thing that I am seeing, and I think you guys probably might agree given that you’re in the travel industry a lot, especially now is changing to more sort of grassroots. I mean, people are looking for road trips or off the beaten path hyper-localized sort of experiences. I’m going to ask you guys a few questions and these are just your sort of personal favorites. Again, this is that we get a little bit of insight into Prague and the Czech Republic and sort of what you guys like. Okay. What is your favorite restaurant and why?

Jo: Oh, there’s many, honestly, Prague is an underrated food capital. There’s much good food here. Some of the places close by that I liked are a place called Martha’s kitchen. That’s like right around the corner from where we live, it’s kind of like homecooked friendly food, it’s like Portobello burgers and avocado toast and like that kind of stuff. And they have lots of veggie options too and like good drinks. It’s just a nice, cute little brunch till 4:00 PM. There’s a good place called U Bulínu that has traditional Czech food and U Sadu is another good place to check the food.

Dom: Just in case anyone wants to know what a traditional Czech dish is like, it could be like roast duck or some meat and then they do dumplings. Either like potato dumplings or like flour dumplings and then like a lot of sauerkraut Like red sauerkraut or white sauerkraut, regular sauerkraut, that’s kind of like your standard, not the healthiest, but in lots of sauce, but very, very delicious. And the dumplings aren’t like the Asian dumplings. It’s like the bread version, it’s like a very compact bread. Like it just is very heavy and it sucks up like all the sauce. And then you have a potato version that just looks like a flat thing potato, and it’s kind of hard to explain.

Jo: I mean, I’ve seen my grandma do it multiple times, but, basically you like to roll it up into what looks like a baguette, but then you almost like steam it and then you’ve got these, it almost looks like floss and then you kind of just cut it and then they turn into these like flat little pancake circles and, they’re sort of use to just vacuum up the sauce with the meat. It’s very filling food. Czech food is very filling.

Karthika: Okay. what is your favorite activity?

Dom: I think if I and Jo were to pick an activity together, it would be we have a place called Boards and Brews close to our home and we’re suckers for board games. It’s kind of a cute cafe’s slash board game place where they have tons and tons of games where you can kind of sit down and have some popcorn. And it’s a really fun place to go with your friends and then the other one would have to be the parks called Riegrovy Sady, which is like, it’s sort of this like ex-pat park right near our house. But everybody goes there in the evening just like a bottle of wine or a few beers and there are benches. And then you get this view overlooking the old town and then the castle in the background. And then the sunsets like directly behind the castle. it’s like, sort of like this picturesque sort of spot to go and we have it, we have it like five minutes from our house. We’re very fortunate to be living in the area that we live in.

Karthika: For sure. Now you talked about how Prague and the Czech Republic in itself is kind of their mountains. And then there are these little towns, it sounds like there’s a lot of nature around you. Are there any outdoor spaces that maybe are more of a local hangout that you guys kind of like to visit? Like in the city or outside of the city?

Dom: So, well, one thing I find is that local people and the expats alike too, to an extent and tourists kind of like to hang out in some of the same places. If you go to the place called Letna Beer Gardens, there’s a lot of local people and that’s close to where we looked last year, that’s closer to the castle. Its a cool place where you can sit and have a beer and overlooking the city, but like a lot of tourists will come there too, but that doesn’t stop the local people from going there. There’s a park close to where we go or where we live. That’s called Havlicek gardens, where I see a lot of like local people running in the morning, going for walks with the dogs and hanging out with friends, checking people just in general, like very outdoorsy. In the city, they do activities like running and walking and I’ve seen people playing games and Frisbee and stuff. And then when they leave the city, they go mountain biking and hiking and all these different activities. You can say that cross country skiing is popular, sort of like free and affordable sports that maybe back in the day during communism where say maybe something like downhill skiing was a little bit more expensive where cross country skiing is sort of free. And then even, we got to play this sport called Spikeball, which I mentioned before. And that’s also, you can kind of just find a park wherever and progs filled with parks. wherever you go, you can kind of just set up and play, or. Have, have some drinks. And we even found just recently this place it’s called Zlute Lazne and it’s just a few kilometers south of the city where you’re still in, in the city, but you’re right on the river. And you can just like to play ping pong. There’s a gym there. You can have drinks, eat food, and then just like, sit back and relax. And you almost feel like you’re on vacation, but you’re only a few miles away. And we said it before, but public transport is fantastic. like wherever you go, it might look like it’s like an hour away on the map, but you can get there in 20 minutes with public transport. It’s super convenient that way.

Karthika: Nice. Now, are there any I guess I could call it local experiences that perhaps might not be in like a traditional tour or something like that? Like maybe visiting the castle is something typical, but what are some atypical things that people can do if they come and visit?

Dom: Oh. I do think there are tons of things that say wouldn’t just be in a TripAdvisor guide book or anything. I think, of course, soccer or what they call it here. Football is really popular to go to. And there are a few teams in the city that play that. So consider going to one of those or a hockey game. You can hire boats and even paddle boats down the river. And like I just mentioned, you don’t necessarily have to stay in the middle of the city, but you can kind of take it out where you’re still by yourself and you’re just outside of the city, which is fun.

Dom: I think the coolest part about lots of these places is just, you’re still in the city, but you have no idea you’re even in the city because like you don’t see downtown or anything and you’re a few miles away, but you’re still, you’re still right there, but you feel like you’re somewhere else.

Jo: And then one more. I just wanted to add that, of course, the Czech Republic is the beer-drinking capital of the world. I know you can drink anywhere, but you can kind of find these like smaller breweries kind of like on the outskirts of town and even if you just go and kind of chat up the locals and you can have a drink or two, it’s a very fun thing to do. And in the Czech Republic beer is cheap. There are lots of local breweries maybe 20 minutes from the center. There is a huge drinking and food vibe here. And people just like to hang out. And you’ll see them out having dinner with friends, like every night. Like you don’t even sit down and just stand out there and then you can go in and fill your cup again. It’s like a place purely for wine.

Karthika: These next couple of questions. That’s probably going to be a little bit more sort of your perspective. And I know everybody has different opinions, whatever you’re comfortable sharing is total. Given that you guys are in the travel industry, you guys are travel bloggers, you’ve kind of lived that nomadic lifestyle. Where do you think travel is headed in the future, especially given everything that we’ve sort of dealt with for the past six months and probably for the near future?

Jo: I think it’s going to be like a slow comeback. Like it’s going to take a while before travel goes back to how we knew it before this whole pandemic, and I don’t know if it’s going to go back to the same way it was. I think what I see in the digital nomad community and the more travel versus tourism industry is like in the travel industry. I think people are going to do more like slow traveling and maybe more privately, like from what I think is that people aren’t going to go to the same, like five-star resorts or four, sorry, sorts with the face and stuff and just hang out. I think it’s going to be more, maybe more road trips. It’s going to be more Airbnbs. And from friends I’ve talked to, they want to go on like a two or four-week trip instead and stay in one Airbnb. Like saying more privately and then just explore that area and not use too much public transport. And go hiking and like for walks and like exploring the local area versus doing two days in Paris to do some Barcelona for two days and like Rome and on.

Jo: I think that part is going to change at least in a digital nomad community, and then I think there’s going to be more restrictions that in place and more health security installed, like even always seeing it when you have to travel. I know you can’t leave the US really, but in Europe, you can sort of travel between certain countries. Some of them put up restrictions where you need to get a COVID test before you, or that you need to get a negative COVID test before you can travel to the country. You can just get tests that you need, you need a negative test. I think it’s gonna be a little different than it was before. And I think that’s going to be in a good way.

Dom: And I think just adding to that as Jo said, the slow travel. I read an article that Airbnb posted and they said like their numbers were picking up, but it wasn’t people saying they wanted to visit San Francisco or people wanting to visit LA. It was people in some small city and Googling where’s the nearest national park. And then somewhere where they could drive with a tank of gas, maybe if it’s two hours away or three hours away. And then finding, say maybe an Airbnb or something in like that small city. Instead of saying people are going to these big capital cities, they may be kind of going more like the adventurous route and somewhere where they can, I don’t know, maybe go explore or go walk around. Where there are not as many, not as many people.

Karthika: I think I probably read the same article you did because I remember reading this and all kinds of unique homes, right? Like tree houses and tiny houses. Those are picking up. And it’s interesting because now it’s like, people are still, I don’t think we’ll ever stop traveling. I think that’s too much ingrained in our DNA, but I think the whole mass-produced, everybody taking that Instagram selfie will change. And I think that’s a good thing.

Dom: Exactly. Also the simplicity of traveling has shifted. How easy it is to just like for us just to move to the Czech Republic? It’s much easier than it was 20 or 30 years ago for people to move across the world. The traveling is going to grow and grow, but I think maybe it’s just going to take a different direction now.

Jo: I mean, we’re very privileged that we’re able to do that. Cause I know not everyone can, but I do see in the future that it’s going to be not related to the pandemic but related to the whole digital nomad community and people working online. I’ve seen a trend in countries opening up for a nomad visa. If you work online and have a job and make certain amount of money, you might be able to live anywhere. I think a lot of countries have restrictions for like maybe a thousand dollars a month or $2,000 a month just as a minimum. That’s a lot of money for a lot of people, but for the Western world that’s often possible for people to do. I see those different countries opening up with freelance visas just as the Czechs have done. So I think there’s going to be some opportunities there in the next coming years where people can move to a country more long term.

Dom: Especially with all these people kind of being able to work from home and stuff.

Karthika: Exactly. And I think that I see that even in not just the working community. For example, with my kids and remote schooling, a lot of families moving back to grandparents to kind of helping to help the fact that the parents are working and they’re online and they kind of are not able to take care of the kids. Now it’s like the whole family unit is together. It’s a very important thing to see how the world is changing and adapting. And I think there’s more to come for sure.

Dom: I mean, there’s plenty of positives that have come from it. It’s just that we are hopefully seeing a change once this pandemic’s over and we don’t just instantly go back to how things were before. If we can kind of take some of these things that we’ve learned and then kind of use those moving forward.

Karthika: Absolutely. I 100% agree. Now I know this might not be soon, but eventually, I guess, what are your travel plans? Where would you guys like to go next?

Jo: Oh, I think we kind of have some ideas on it. Right now with our blog, we’re very hiking orientated and we’re very focused on the hiking aspect of our blog. Cause it’s sort of a digital nomad slash outdoor adventure blog. And I think Iceland’s always kind of been on our list and I think if we can, maybe in the next year or two, depending on what happens if we can go to Iceland, I think that will be an epic place to kind of just go and adventure as well. Serbia is high on the list. We were supposed to go recently, but then the borders closed down for us, so we couldn’t. But that’s the place we want to go visit. And the National parks like up the Northwest with all the mountains and lakes and that area. Just any place that’s like outdoorsy. But before that, we’re hoping to go back and visit my family and Denmark if the pandemic allows it. Then we are planning a trip to Sweden because we have some friends that are getting married there.

Karthika: Awesome. Well, it sounds like you guys have a lot of places to go when everything clears out or when you’re able to. And I can’t wait to see what adventures you guys have. I’ve checked out the blog and it’s amazing. I’m a big hiker as well. Well thank you both for your time. This was an amazing conversation.

Dom: As I said earlier, Czech Republic is a fantastic place and we have extra bedrooms. So whenever you’re here, Karthika, you’re more than welcome to hang out with us.

Karthika: I will take you up on that, especially when I have my late in a life gap year, right? Thank you, guys.

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